Comments on: How We Could Know Less #1 https://www.bitsbook.com/2010/03/how-we-could-know-less-1/ Your Life, Liberty and Happiness After the Digital Explosion Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:49:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.8.13 By: Joho the Blog » Another open access journal, and when closed access journals go rogue https://www.bitsbook.com/2010/03/how-we-could-know-less-1/comment-page-1/#comment-10815 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 15:49:41 +0000 http://www.bitsbook.com/?p=616#comment-10815 […] The editor’s courteous, respectful, generous response is here. (I posted about this when Harry Lewis blogged about it […]

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By: Harry Lewis https://www.bitsbook.com/2010/03/how-we-could-know-less-1/comment-page-1/#comment-8435 Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:23:58 +0000 http://www.bitsbook.com/?p=616#comment-8435 CH,
There is actually a broader point — the Web has made it possible for more people to become editors and publishers, and as participation in the production of ideas and opinions has been democratized, the censorship has reached more people, most of them without lawyers or colleagues as this editor has. It would be tragic if the bottom line were to be “just keep quiet and you won’t attract attention from the bullies.”
– HRL

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By: CH https://www.bitsbook.com/2010/03/how-we-could-know-less-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7902 Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:53:59 +0000 http://www.bitsbook.com/?p=616#comment-7902 “These are book-review innovations that could not have happened in the pre-Internet world”

This is the only point that is related to the so-called “digital explosion”. But the content of the review could have been published elsewhere before the “digital explosion”. So you’re missing the point of you series.

Of course you can argue against censorship, but this case is not a consequence of any web-immanent mechanisms.

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By: Richard https://www.bitsbook.com/2010/03/how-we-could-know-less-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7832 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:46:58 +0000 http://www.bitsbook.com/?p=616#comment-7832 Are we sure that this is an issue associated with French law alone? Do not a number of US States have criminal libel statutes, for instance. Likewise, do not other other legal jurisdictions around the world also have such statutes?

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By: Joho the Blog » [2b2k] Harry Lewis on ways the Net is making us stupider https://www.bitsbook.com/2010/03/how-we-could-know-less-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7770 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:37:34 +0000 http://www.bitsbook.com/?p=616#comment-7770 […] less, rather than more. Apparently, it’s not just Google that’s making us stupid. His first post is about the astounding French criminal libel prosecution in which the editor of a scholarly […]

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By: Joho the Blog » Berkman Buzz https://www.bitsbook.com/2010/03/how-we-could-know-less-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7766 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:04:38 +0000 http://www.bitsbook.com/?p=616#comment-7766 […] Harry Lewis on the “madness” of criminal libel in France: link […]

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By: Harry Lewis https://www.bitsbook.com/2010/03/how-we-could-know-less-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7440 Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:56:31 +0000 http://www.bitsbook.com/?p=616#comment-7440 François,
Thanks so much. You have actually listed several important examples there, which could be HWCKL #2, 3, and 4. You have no English problems at all!

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By: François Cassin https://www.bitsbook.com/2010/03/how-we-could-know-less-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7437 Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:42:44 +0000 http://www.bitsbook.com/?p=616#comment-7437 Harry, you’re right regarding this particular lawsuit, the law existed before Sarkozy took the presidency.

I am no law expert but I take a particular interest in those regarding freedom of speech on the internet. The ground for the lawsuit here is “calomnie” (calumny/slander).
However I was referring to Hadopi and Lopsi because they are prime exemples of where our government is heading towards internet laws. Even though it is highly anti-constitutional, there IS pressure put on the judges to make the internet a “safer place”.
Lopsi 2 has not been adopted by Senate yet, but in its current version, the government would be allowed to ask an internet service provider to remove any offensive content, without having to make a case for it. Of course they say it is only to prevent things like pedopornography, but in this particular instance, this new law could be used to ask the ISP to take down the content if it is hosted in France, or to prevent every user from accessing it without the use of a proxy.

Sadly, this particular exemple is yet another in a long list of bad precedents.

A new gambling law, which should take effect before the Soccer World Cup, prevents french poker players from playing online with anyone but other french players.

It is a scary thought that the internet in France could very well lose its world wide aspect.

So to stay on topic, you’re right it is an old law, but it was only used to take down insults or threats, not thoughtful content. I sincerely hope the editor of the European Journal of International Law will be acquitted of all charges.

I can very well see how these new laws could mean knowing less as a result of digital explosion.

(I hope I made my point clear, as english isn’t my native language I always fear not to be well understood)

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By: Harry Lewis https://www.bitsbook.com/2010/03/how-we-could-know-less-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7415 Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:58:25 +0000 http://www.bitsbook.com/?p=616#comment-7415 Thanks for weighing in, François. To be sure, we don’t hold every American responsible for every U.S. Government action. But fill me in — is this a new law, or a new way of interpreting an old law? Are you saying that this situation wouldn’t have happened before this government? I thought it was a libel law, not a copyright law or a pornography law, that was causing the problem.

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By: François Cassin https://www.bitsbook.com/2010/03/how-we-could-know-less-1/comment-page-1/#comment-7352 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:20:48 +0000 http://www.bitsbook.com/?p=616#comment-7352 Hi,

I’m French and I wanted to react to this entry.
This kind of law is really not what our ancestor fought the revolution for, and a lot of french people are displeased with the way the government has been handling the law regarding the internet. Hadopi and Loppsi laws, which are meant to protect intellectual property and to attack pedopornography are really used to censor freedom on the internet.

Unfortunately we live in a democracy and there is not much we can do right now…
I sincerely hope things will change in 2012 but the left is really weak right now so we’re stuck with this government for now…

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